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Topic: Mariposa/ QoA / Slant connections

From: David Wright
Location: Texas
Date: 12/30/2009

I'm just 70 pages in, and already seeing references to QoA/Slant. For instance, my guess is the tech that is "improving" the nine guys is likely nano-tech. There's mention of Colonel Sir Yeardly. I have some guesses about other characters.

Is this going to try to "exactly" fit into the other books, or be like a 2001/2010/2061/3001, where it's sort of a continuum but not an exact date-for-date, character-for-character fit (Clarke indicated the books weren't exactly sequels)?

I ask because it seems Mariposa occurs around 2015-2020 or so. It's after 2010, in any case. As per QoA, Yeardly starts his rule of Hispanola around 2018 and he apparently hasn't done that yet. Mary Choy was born in either 2017 or 2019 (unclear from dates/ages in QoA and Slant, so lets say 2017). There is a mention of a Mary (Rebecca is trying to adopt her?), so maybe Mariposa is around 2017 or so?

You probably don't want to be precisely tied down, especially since QoA was written close to 20 years ago, and the 2040's seemed like a long time away, but I'm anal this way :) Of course, if you're just wanting to tell a good story, that's fine with me too.

Re: Mariposa/ QoA / Slant connections

From: Greg Bear
Date: 01/01/2010

Very good detective work, Mr. Holmes! But you have yet to catch all the clues...

Re: Mariposa/ QoA / Slant connections

From: David Wright
Location: Texas (not Lion City)
Date: 01/18/2010

WARNING: Spoilers ahead:

Okay, should have finished reading before typing. No nano-tech, in the brain stuff anyway.

My best guess is that the year in Mariposa is 2019. Looks like it is spring or summer, according to the weather.

According to Mariposa, Idaho hasn't ceded yet, although William Griffen indicates they are rumblings in direction. In Slant, there was a secession standoff that killed Giffey's parents in July, 2020. So Mariposa is before that, but probably not too long before. Also, according to Slant, Mary Choy was born in 2017 (she's 35), and she's a 2-year-old in Mariposa. Those things narrow it pretty well.

Slant gives Mary's age as 35, making her born around 2017, which fits here. QoA has a typo on her birth year as 2019, but perhaps the confusion was her adoption date verses birth date?

According to QoA, Colonel Sir Yardley started his rule of Hispanola in 2018 (it's implied, perhaps "rule" is a strong word?) so he's there already to allow Price to end up there with him.

We also know that it has to be between 2011 and 2028, due to the Eisenhower Executive Office Building next to White House, "for almost 140 years" (chapter 29), which was built between 1871-1888.

Note: In Mariposa, Nathaniel Trace is listed as being 36 (chap 14) and 37 (chap 24). Might have been a birthday between the two chapters that I missed, since they are a few days apart.

By the way, this means that Quantico occurred in 2017, since it's about "2 years after Mecca" according to chapter 18.

How's that?

Re: Mariposa/ QoA / Slant connections

From: Greg Bear
Date: 01/29/2010

Pretty amazing, David! I didn't actually go back myself and do the math. Good to know it's well within the ballpark. Now about that space program detail...

Re: Mariposa/ QoA / Slant connections

From: David Wright
Location: Texas (not Lion City yet)
Date: 01/29/2010

I wasn't going to mention that in Heads there are already 15 Families on the Moon by 2019. :)

Obama cutting funding for NASA's next Moon mission doesn't help that any. :(

Re: Mariposa/ QoA / Slant connections

From: Greg Bear
Date: 02/01/2010

In the late nineteen sixties, I thought we might send out star probes by now...

Re: Mariposa/ QoA / Slant connections

From: william roberts
Location: nashville,tn
Date: 05/08/2011

wait wait wait so QoA has to do with this series? i'm confused

Re: Mariposa/ QoA / Slant connections

From: Greg Bear
Date: 05/10/2011

MARIPOSA ties in QUANTICO with QoA and subsequent novels, through the introduction of Thinkers, Green Idaho, etc. I found the politics and technology in all these novels were excellent matches.

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