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Topic: Just watched 2012...

From: David Ononye
Location: Cincinnati
Date: 11/14/2009

When can we expect the forthcoming law suit? They picked up too many ideas from 'The Forge of God' to let it pass as simply coincidence. No it's definitely more than that. Maybe not direct theft, but certainly uncomfortably close.

But on a more serious note, I wonder what Greg Bear thought of the movie?

Re: Just watched 2012...

From: Greg Bear
Date: 11/23/2009

Haven't seen it yet. I've enjoyed other films by Emmerich. They're never boring!

Re: Just watched 2012...

From: Bill Goodwin
Location: Los Angeles, CA
Date: 11/23/2009

Haven't seen it either, but I thought the same thing watching the trailer! In that case it was mostly my own emotions that were reminiscent. I recall what one witness of the WTC towers collapsing said: "It was like watching the moon fall." There's a certain flavor of shock attending the destruction of "permanent" things.

Emmerich's drawn freely and broadly on good material in the past, no question about that.

Re: Just watched 2012...

From: Patrick Berry
Location: Vancouver, WA
Date: 11/24/2009

My only hope with "2012" is that it makes the whole so ridiculous and over the top that the actual 2012 Mayan conspiracy is made to look equally ridiculous. Maybe then it will fade quietly into the background of our collective paranoia where it belongs.

I don't think Greg has a lawsuit in this case since no miniature black holes were involved in the destruction of the planet. Maybe he can sue the LHC instead. :-)

Re: Just watched 2012...

From: Kurt9
Location: Vancouver, WA
Date: 11/24/2009

My thoughts exactly.

I have not seen this movie, but the first time I saw the trailer for it, I thought of the "Forge of God" novel. The reviews and synopsis of the movie made it sound even more like "Forge of God". Even John Cusack's character trying to get him and his family aboard these space arks is very "Forge of God" like. I read sometime ago on this site that "Forge of God" was supposed to be made into a movie.

I do think that credit should given where it is due, even if the movie is based more on the Mayan prophesy rather than alien machines.

Re: Just watched 2012...

From: Simon
Location: Hamilton, New Zealand
Date: 11/24/2009

@David - I saw this last night, but I didn't feel Greg's work was being plagiarised. Having said that, when the Cusack and co were in the plane watching LA sliding into the Pacific, I couldn't help thinking of Fog and wished I was instead watching Peter Jackson's treatment of one of my favourite SF books...

If you ignore the laughable science and dialogue, there's some draw-dropping effects. I noticed several people around me squirming as Roland had the Curtis family constantly cheating death by the slimmest of margins. Well worth a viewing on the big screen, IMHO.

The biggest difference I saw was 2012 used those constant skin-of-your-teeth situations to ratchet up the tension, whereas FoG has a terrible sense of inevitability and growing momentum driving it.

Re: Just watched 2012...

From: Greg Bear
Date: 11/25/2009

Thanks, David. I hope to see the film soon.

Re: Just watched 2012...

From: Jon K
Location: Ann Arbor Michigan
Date: 11/30/2009

I saw "2012" on Friday and I just popped over to the discussion forum to see if anybody else drew parallels between "2012" and "The Forge of God". The biggest similarity I found was Woody Harrelson's character riding out the super volcano in Yellowstone...?

But honestly, the story line doesn't hold a candle to Greg Bear's work, but it was still HUGELY entertaining. It's worth the price of admission just for the special effects of California going in the Pacific :-)

Very best, Jon K

Re: Just watched 2012...

From: Rene Simons
Location: Hansville Washington
Date: 12/04/2009

I would have to say plagiarism. Lots of eye candy, no real substance. How did they get away with this and give no credit where credit is due? Certainly The Forge of God is a much better story, but there are so many things about this movie that seem lifted right out of your book. Shame on them. Personally I would love to see a movie adaptation of Eon. Easily my favorite sci-fi book I have ever read. Well that and Dune. Love your work Greg. Curious what you will have to say after you see this movie. All the best.-Rene

Re: Just watched 2012...

From: Greg Bear
Date: 12/09/2009

Thanks, Rene.

Re: Just watched 2012...

From: ryan costa
Location: cleveland
Date: 12/16/2009

any good writer can make an entertaining story on the premise geologic catastrophe. usually less depressing than nuclear annihilation.

Re: Just watched 2012...

From: Greg Bear
Date: 12/17/2009

Recently watched PARIS AFTER DARK, 1930, a thoroughly confused and lamentably mismanaged version of Camille Flammarion's 1890's novel FIN DU MONDE. Around 1930, Balmer and Wylie were publishing WHEN WORLDS COLLIDE, the best work on the topic since Wells and Verne. Many since, of course!

Re: Just watched 2012...

From: Bill Goodwin
Location: Los Angeles, CA
Date: 12/18/2009

I recently read Flammarion's LUMEN, and am anxious to read FIN DU MONDE! Olaf Stapledon clearly read the former...as perhaps Flammarion read Poe's comet-kills-Earth piece, THE CONVERSATION OF EIROS AND CHARMION.

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