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Topic: Media Monoply

From: David P. Johnson
Location: Twin Cities
Date: 03/08/2009

Greg,

Your none to subtle critique on what conservatives further validates my point. Lib's love to pidgeonhole their opponents, marginalize and even label them as intolerant. After spending a lot of time on various college campuses, I believe it safe to say that the prevailing liberal mindset is by far and away the most INTOLERANT of the two.You say talk radio is sort of narcotic for the right? How then would you characterize the the remaining media outlets, as unbiased? Obviously anyone with a shred of common sense would conclude that the majority of the TV and printed media, overwhelm any rightward bend elsewhere. (and please don't bring up Fox) CBS, NBC and ABC are unabashedly liberal. If one doubted that, look at the election coverage from the last election cycle. "Barack, what's your favorite color?" "Michelle, are you proud of your country now?" Folks, socialism is a failed ideology because it leads to people relying upon government to make their choices and having zero control over their lives. 'Stalinesque' I'd say. If there are any college students reading this, then please evaluate your prof's political leanings. Then look at the length of time they've spent on college campuses. In most cases there is a correlation, the longer the duration, the more liberal. Liberalism is all about feelings (see political correctness) not about facts and reality. School text books have been altered as to be more inclusive so people FEEL more included. I'm old enough to remember what Jimmy Carter did to this country and we're still paying the price. (see Iran) The average Iranian would gladly trade the Ayatollahs for the Shah, or so I've read.

Enough pontification...strap in folks, we've done this to ourselves here in America. The only CHANGE we'll see is what's left in our pants pockets after Comrade Obama get's finished...

Re: Media Monoply

From: patrick
Location:
Date: 03/17/2009

Ahem. We'll see if Greg posts this...alternative....response. As I've mentioned here before, humans tend to personalize things. Most things, if not everything. The need for social groupings, to be included in them, is a related emotional element, and a constraining one. Transcend culture, lad.

Re: Media Monoply

From: Mike Glosson
Location: San Diego, CA
Date: 03/17/2009

Sorry David, I'm having a hard time grok'n Greg Bear as a Fount of Liberalism, or even painting the major medias as Liberal...I'd say they might pay lip service to it some times, but deep down they are about as CORP as you would find in any William Gibson Novel.

And not to say that Greg is a Font of the Right either. I've watched his writing and "political stand" develop over the last three decades, and without speaking for him (the man speaks for himself well enough) I'm not exactly sure where I would put him, or even want him to come out and publish a "Manifesto of Where Greg Bear Stands."

But he does have a track record of actually looking into things and telling us how he either sees them or how they will play out.

What Jimmy Carter did to this counry? How about what Nixon did to our Space Program? And don't get me started on what Reagan did.

But I actually know some one who was a General in the Shah's army, and was tortured by the new Regime for same. He doesn't blame Carter, he goes all the way back to what the British did after the end of WWI to the region as the cause of all the problems.

We could sit here and play the blame game until the sun burns out. Instead the world needs to get beyond its current state of ideologies standing against each other with crossed or folded arms screaming like frightened chimps at each other...unfortunately I think it will take a global disater for that kind of unity and understanding to occur. Lots of SF novels address just that theme. I think Greg may have tackled it a time or too as well (such as the alternate time line that Launched Thistledown)

Mike Glosson

Re: Media Monoply

From: Bill Goodwin
Location: Los Angeles, CA
Date: 03/18/2009

That's amazing. I wonder if it hurts. Do you suppose he does some kind of limbering up, first?

Re: Media Monoply

From: Jim
Location: Baton Rouge, La
Date: 03/19/2009

Wow! were to begin? When you begin with labels like Libs,Stalinesque and Comrade I wonder if responding to you is a waste of time but here I go. First why not bring up FOX?

Second Media outlets are mostly owned by a small number of large companies that are driven by ratings and advertiser dollars with little or no real journalistic integrity except for a few News Papers. They are about ratings and will go with the flavor of the month. Read what Soc. 101 has to say about Common Sense, Facts and Reality.

As far as School books go most Public schools don't use them now(I have kids in school). I've seen no political correctness and in fact have seen more detailed teachings then when I was a kid. My kids are learning things in middle school that I did in high school or college. I also am old enough to remember Carter/Iran and you have some revisionist history lessons I'm guessing?

As far as Talk Radio being Narcotic for the Right, I would say Bulls Eye!!!!!



Re: Media Monoply

From: Greg Bear
Date: 03/21/2009

As long as key Republicans keep behaving the way Rush Limbaugh and Ann Coulter want them to behave, I'm a Democrat through and through. Remember, folks, my very conservative and patriotic friend Jerry Pournelle was booted out of the Republican party by David Frum a couple of years back... because he had nuanced, intelligent opinions about such things as the Iraq wars, which he opposed--both of them. Now, Mr. Frum is trying to re-structure the conservative movement into something cohesive and constructive... More power to him, but why did it take a massive election loss to show him how corrupt his party had become?

Re: Media Monoply

From: Greg Bear
Date: 03/21/2009

Right now, Huckabee and Limbaugh and Coulter are throwing out the history books to tell us FDR didn't do anything to help in the last Depression. No serious historian accepts this--it's an outright lie. Recently, a very conservative colleague (a self-confessed Bush fan) did his damnedest to convince me that some lower official in the Clinton administration was the first Attorney General to ever be convicted and go to jail. Pointing out that this person was never attorney general (that was Janet Reno) and that the first AG to go to jail was John Mitchell, from the Nixon adminstration, caused hardly a ripple of concern. Three times he insisted on this as a fact, and finally I gave up.

Re: Media Monoply

From: Jim Duron
Location: Baton Rouge
Date: 03/21/2009

I'm not convinced Limbaugh and Coulter actually believe in the crap they spout. IMO they are about ratings and book sales and know how to pander to the lowest common thread. That being said I think there overall message is poison to there party and the country as a whole. McCain's daughter recently said the same thing.

I have not had a chance to listen to Huckabee and maybe I should be grateful for that. Conservative Radio sounds a lot like early European church spreading fear/lies and condemning any non confirmed train of thought as hierarchy against God or in this case socialistic anti-American thinking. The Problem for me is they mix opinion with so-called facts and present it as Gospel truth (common sense). Whatever the motive is they sell and spread fear very effectively (David is proof of that).

Re: Media Monoply

From: Mike Glossons
Location: San Diego, CA
Date: 03/21/2009

Greg:

OK...I've been living under a ROCK, definitely. Didn't know Jerry P got kicked out of the Republican party. No wonder they've become RepubliCANTs.

As I sit back and watch the Republican party unravel and let Rush Babel...I wonder just how far the impolsion will go, before some Jerry Ford Middle of the Road truly concerned for the Party kind of Republican STEPS FORWARD and starts talking real Republican Sense for the first time in a quarter century.

Re: Media Monoply

From: Greg Bear
Date: 03/22/2009

Waiting is... (As a Martian named Smith once said.)

Re: Media Monoply

From: patrick
Location:
Date: 03/28/2009

Hah. No shit. For everything. Totally.

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