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Topic: CITY AT THE END OF TIME/ THE NIGHT LANDS/ANOTHER GREEN WORLD

From: Mike Glosson
Location: San Diego, CA
Date: 10/24/2008

Greg:

Late last week I ended up sending Track 12, Zawinul/Lava to Andy Robertson at the Night Land Website over in England:

www.thenightland.co.uk

And got back to me on Saturday morning requesting a slight rewrite of part of it, and a link to where it was posted. Gave him the background of the project, and how that track arose naturally out of prior track, which was the fate-shifter piece crystallizing out of "Becalmed".

This lead to a complete and "final" rewrite of all the tracks on Sunday.

The Night Land Piece is short, one of the shortest of the tracks and is currently posted at:

http://chimpstop.livejournal.com/1714532.html

Andy will be linking to me once he gets his household move completed. I have found his website extremely helpful in doing research about The Night Land, and the map on his site was essential in describing the geography around the Pyramid for the piece.

The final rewrite of the Fate-Shifter piece is at:

http://chimpstop.livejournal.com/1714343.html

'Becalmed' may be the longest piece in the whole set I did.

The tags "Another Green World" will take the reader to the other tracks in the set. You will also notice tags for CITY AT THE END OF TIME, AGAINST THE FALL OF NIGHT, etc, which lead to postings on those subjects.

I wasn't just praising you a while back when I said CITY was the book I wish I had written...our thoughts on possibility were spookily congruent as permeated all thru the novel, leading to off the cuff theories of "Like Minds" and "Death's Basic Cable Service" and "Last Men contact" to "parallel processing"...but our perceptions of the possible are filtered thru our individual life experience. A level of spookiness as a reader that few others would probably experience. And I'm probably the only person on the planet who read CITY between reading parts I and II of BEING AND TIME (second study of the text in a year).

ONE A MORE SERIOUS ISSUE REGARDING CITY: For the last week or so I have been contemplating opening a moderated discussion group up on Live Journal for people who have read CITY and enjoyed it. I have no idea how many of your readers have Live Journal Accounts, or how much of a demand/traffic there would be. Per your message this moring, I am posting the possibility of a CITY AT THE END OF TIME Discussion group: currently with plans to host at Live Journal.

Your webmaster has been very helpful in recovering my sides of several of the initial RIGHT AS I WAS READING IT posts regarding CITY that I forgot to make copies in my haste and excitement. Just wanted you to know the great job done in that regard.

Still thinking about writing something more serious about CITY&

Mike Glosson

Re: CITY AT THE END OF TIME/ THE NIGHT LANDS/ANOTHER GREEN WORLD

From: Greg Bear
Date: 10/27/2008

Sounds great, Mike! The NIGHT LAND site is marvelous.

Re: CITY AT THE END OF TIME/ THE NIGHT LANDS/ANOTHER GREEN WORLD

From: Mike Glosson
Location: San Diego, CA
Date: 10/27/2008

"The NIGHT LAND site is marvelous"

It's a great resource, extremely helpful in processing the reading experience that goes with the book. Andy et al have done a great job.

Re: CITY AT THE END OF TIME/ THE NIGHT LANDS/ANOTHER GREEN WORLD

From: chris mcgee
Location: Corpus Christi, Tx
Date: 10/29/2008

Loved the story. I have enjoyed reading your books for many years. They are never boring or simple, and take a little cross refrencing throughout to keep all the people, places and themes in order, which makes them an invigorating read. They are certainly thought provoking too, giving rise to endless dreams of further possibilities for the characters. I am half way through The City at the End of Time, and can't help but think that this is a very familiar story. I know that I have read this before, did you publish this under another name? I do read !alot!, but the book has only been released for two month so I find it hard to beleave that I read is so recently and forgot. Although this summer I did read a great many of your older books, searching them out at our local resell store. I don't mind rereading books, as I often revisit authors cyclically any way, but I'd hate to think that I have lost track of what I have and have not read so recently. You are certainly one of my favorites to read, and I want to say thanks for the many years of enjoyment that I have recieved form your efforts and imagination.

Re: CITY AT THE END OF TIME/ THE NIGHT LANDS/ANOTHER GREEN WORLD

From: Roald Laurenson
Location:
Date: 10/30/2008

Mike, to be honest, I stopped at the warning about 18 years old.

I am not unworldly nor a prude, but this seems a rather stark message of unpleasantness or some kind of risk; at least this is how it looked.

I know well we aren't to the stage of Rod-D, but...!

If you would like more of us to hear the music, maybe it should go on a fully tame site?

Thanks, and glad Greg is liking it,
Roald

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From: Tim
Location: Sydney
Date: 11/03/2008

I have been one of your biggest fans for 2 decades. I have read, loved and recommended to friends: Psychlone, Eon, Eternity, Moving Mars, Heads, The Forge series and Darwin's Radio. If Hollywood had made any of these books into movies they would have had several hits. The shear scope of Eon/Eternity would leave Lord of the Rings for Dead. Their loss. Saying all that - City at the End of Time sucked, cats eating the Typhon???? Dude, if you had stuck to the hard science and left the Harry Potter fantasy stuff out it would have been a thumping read.

Looking Forward to buying you next book

Tim

Re: CITY AT THE END OF TIME/ THE NIGHT LANDS/ANOTHER GREEN WORLD

From: Greg Bear
Date: 11/07/2008

Thanks, chris! You might have read "The Way of All Ghosts," a story set in the EON universe and also inspired by Hodgson.

Re: CITY AT THE END OF TIME/ THE NIGHT LANDS/ANOTHER GREEN WORLD

From: Mike Glosson
Location: San Diego, CA
Date: 11/07/2008

"From: Roald Laurenson
Location:
Date: 10/30/2008


Mike, to be honest, I stopped at the warning about 18 years old.

I am not unworldly nor a prude, but this seems a rather stark message of unpleasantness or some kind of risk; at least this is how it looked. "


The age limitation is strictly a liability thing, as about a year ago Live Journal had a content freak out.

Not much in the way of Sexual Content on my blog, and what is is behind several invitation only Filters.

So why did I lock it Adults Only? Because I frankly discuss life in a way that the Censors in our society take offense at, all those Soccer Moms out there afraid some one is gonna corrupt their 14 year old.

Life, Death, and everything in between gets hashed out there.

The ANOTHER GREEN WORLD tracks are almost G rated, as are my posts regarding CITY AT THE END OF TIME.

If you are over 18 you should be farely safe viewing most of the open content.

Sorry for any confusions or risks of Scandalousness this may have instilled.

Mike Glosson.

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From: Mike Glosson
Location: San Diego, CA
Date: 11/07/2008

Adult Content Settings regarding the Another Green World pieces:

I just simulated Roald Laurenson experience of linking to my live journal, and it was giving the "False" impression that everything was "risque'" and Scandalous, when it probably wasn't.

Reviewing Live Journal's policies I've downgraded the restrictions to Adult Concepts, which puts the cut off level to 14 years of age.

My appologies for any false expectations this may have caused.

Mike Glosson

Re: CITY AT THE END OF TIME/ THE NIGHT LANDS/ANOTHER GREEN WORLD

From: Roald Laurenson
Location:
Date: 11/07/2008

Hi Mike,

Well, thanks -- both for the explanation, and for adjusting the rating system, which I hope also will get you more audience.

I went in, then, and...I had expected music, when you'd talked about 'tracks'. This writing though is intriguing, and as I read the first 8 chapters of City at a library this Monday, and had read (and re-found, re-read) 'The Way of All Ghosts' before, so I could appreciate your descriptions, your paths of entering a story. It's an interesting way, and you made me thoughtful about it.

So, music of a kind...and thank you!

Best regards,
Roald

Re: CITY AT THE END OF TIME/ THE NIGHT LANDS/ANOTHER GREEN WORLD

From: Greg Bear
Date: 11/08/2008

Sucks like an Electrolux, eh, Tim? Sorry to hear you didn't enjoy it--but it sounds like you at least finished it, so thanks for that! Sigh. What's a writer to do? All of the books you mention liking have also received negative reviews and comments over the years... some, many and very negative. There's no way of knowing. Meanwhile, look around this site at other reactions--and to confuse things even more, CITY has been chosen as one of seven best sf novels of the year by PUBLISHER'S WEEKLY. I'll join you in bashing heads against a wall!

Re: CITY AT THE END OF TIME/ THE NIGHT LANDS/ANOTHER GREEN WORLD

From: Mike Glosson
Location: San Diego
Date: 11/08/2008

Attn: Roald Laurenson:

"I went in, then, and...I had expected music, when you'd talked about 'tracks'"

There's an explanatory piece about the little project in there, in the afterward:

http://chimpstop.livejournal.com/1732129.html

If you click on the tag ANOTHER GREEN WORLD it will list the other "tracks". Some of them also have tags for other of my writings about CITY AT THE END OF TIME. I'm still contemplating something Much More Serious to write about this novel....as soon as it settles down in my head a bit more!

This writing project was first born in a snail mail letter to Greg Bear back in 1980, as I had been greatly impressed with the first Album of Brian Eno's I ever purchased:

Another Green World. Six months ago I decided to give it a go, and finally started writing it in October. The track "becalmed" stuck me for over a week...then in a moment of inspiration write the fate-shifter/fate-mire piece...which was followed naturally by a piece on THE NIGHT LAND.

The original conceit 28 years ago was for it to be a novel inspired by the Album. The actual project is more a set of prose poems that could be read in the time it takes to hear the tracks.

The full history of the project can be found here:


Most of Eno's Catalog is available up on iTunes, or CD's can be bought via Amazon or other services.

I've been trying to get a copy in front of ENO, but he's notoriously hard to contact outside of Agent Channels.

One way to hear some of the tracks, without getting the album, is go to YouTube and do a search for Eno. Several Video artists have set the tracks to videos they have done.

It's an album I've listend to THOUSANDS of times over the last 28 years...

Mike

Re: CITY AT THE END OF TIME/ THE NIGHT LANDS/ANOTHER GREEN WORLD

From: Mike Glosson
Location: San Diego, CA
Date: 11/08/2008

Regarding Tim's disappointment about Cats eating the Typhon.

Actually I thought that was a pretty neat touch, as by that point, if I remember correctly, the Universe wasn't much bigger than a football stadium, if not the playing field. And leaves me wondering "Just" where Cats fit in to the overall cosmology. And by that point in the story the ground rules of the universe were worn pretty thin...an alternate end for the Typhon could have been Max Glaucous accidentally stepping on it as he crossed the ice plane.

Harry Potter Stuff? Wow...that reminds me of that one film critic who hated 2001 and thought it was ALL COMIC BOOK STUFF. Though I still need to hunt down that Anthology that has your "The Way of All Ghosts" in it...though it sounds like it should actually be re-run in one of Andy's THE NIGHT LAND collections

Congrats Greg on the Publisher's Weekly 7 Best Novels of the year recognition!

Re: CITY AT THE END OF TIME/ THE NIGHT LANDS/ANOTHER GREEN WORLD

From: Roald Laurenson
Location:
Date: 11/08/2008

Still laughing about Greg's Electrolux, and smiling for his good humor. That is a special sound definitely.

Mike, I went in on your explanation, and read more of these. I also listened to the Another Green World track and few others off that Brian Eno album. I see why you like it.

Sometimes in reading your tracks I thought about Bruce Cockburn, the Canadian songwriter etc.. I think the connection is there also in the Brian Eno music - maybe this is one you already picked up.

Thanks, and I ran into just one of what might have set LiveJournal's bells ringing. Pretty mild indeed, especially for kids who've listened some of the music out there, so I think you're fine with the lower rating. 14 seems just right.

Best,
Roald

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From: Tim
Location: sydney
Date: 11/11/2008

City is getting a publisher's weekly award? What the hell do I know then! When are they going to make one of your books into a movie/mini series? Psychlone would be a cracker.

Tim

Re: CITY AT THE END OF TIME/ THE NIGHT LANDS/ANOTHER GREEN WORLD

From: Greg Bear
Date: 11/11/2008

Some books are a slow burn. I know that's true for me. I keep some difficult books around for years, waiting for the right moment to grok their essence... Oops! Does that date me?

Re: CITY AT THE END OF TIME/ THE NIGHT LANDS/ANOTHER GREEN WORLD

From: Mike Glosson
Location: San Diego, CA
Date: 11/11/2008

Greg:

"Some books are a slow burn. I know that's true for me. I keep some difficult books around for years, waiting for the right moment to grok their essence... Oops! Does that date me?"

I know that all too well. And do that with Durrell a lot. But only one of your books has fit that category: DINOSAUR SUMMER. And it really shouldn't...but I tried to start reading it on the Eve of the one year anniversary of my Father's death...got 70 pages into it and couldn't figure out why this Father n' Son adventure was upsetting me...then it hit me...so I'll have to wait a while before finishing it...and isn't Forry in it...or was that Harryhausen?

Otherwise NONE of your books have slow burned me...quite the opposite...your prose grabs me by the back of the eyeballs and doesn't let go!

Mike

PS: other than the Dino book, the only one I've not ead is SLANT...

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From: Tim
Location:
Date: 11/13/2008

I can see Forge and Eon being made into mini series. At the minimum it would take people's minds of the credit crunch.

Re: CITY AT THE END OF TIME/ THE NIGHT LANDS/ANOTHER GREEN WORLD

From: Greg Bear
Date: 11/13/2008

Ray Harryhausen and Willis O'Brien and a host of others, including John Ford!

Re: CITY AT THE END OF TIME/ THE NIGHT LANDS/ANOTHER GREEN WORLD

From: Greg Bear
Date: 11/13/2008

Having just returned from Utopiales in Nantes and a few days in Paris, where Astrid and I had a lovely time, I think perhaps we need more miniseries about food... If we're heading into a deep recession, then food, dance, and fancy clothes might be just the ticket. And it may be that Peter Jackson remade King Kong too early! The depression-era scenes resonate really well now. Where's Fred Astaire now that we need him?

Re: CITY AT THE END OF TIME/ THE NIGHT LANDS/ANOTHER GREEN WORLD

From: Mike Glosson
Location: San Diego, CA
Date: 11/13/2008

Greg:

In regards to Dinosaur Summer:

"Ray Harryhausen and Willis O'Brien and a host of others, including John Ford!"

That was more fall out/confusion from that 36 hours where Forrest J. Ackerman and Ray Harryhausen got fused in my feverish brain.

So France...for a few days I thought maybe you had gotten a tour of CERN and maybe brought back a Quark-Plasma sample.

Wow, try getting THAT thru customs, let alone across the street!

:)

Mike

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From: Somakosmos Malheiro
Location: Basswood Lake Quetico Provincial Forest
Date: 11/13/2008

Jeez! The City book is good. Read some of Forge of G.
awhile back~cause I was back and forthing thru the volcanic
tufts around Barstow.
I read Rosenbaum's "The House Beyond Your Sky"
early this am..it was fun to compare.
It's amazing that in the past year or so/Dragons of Babel/Thunderer/Dreaming Void..all trying to get to the
point. What is 18 zeros/1 Quadrillion?
A whole lot less than One hydrogen molecule as
situated in the pan*googol 999^999^999.
Don't think you utilized the Word Ineffable
in your fine effort. The end sentence in tCatEoT will do nicely. PA's story~The Horn of Time the Hunter is a favorite
of mine~Along with~Gonna Roll Dem Bones by the Gray Mouser~I did put forth stuff bout your Novel on the John Shirley Message
Board. Since I'am very young...I hope you take it as
an old fatherly kind of man would. Those silly prophets
of antiquity and the slightly more liberal apostles got
a smudge on their doors of perception.
They only saw one part of the first 3 digits
and that was upside down.
The 100 trillion is a bit older than Gene Wolfe's
Citadel of the Autarch(understatement 3 billion subtracted from 14 zeros)...The pre Cambrian explosion
wrigglings of the Human Race. I met someone who has a
birthmark...that's is where the 999^999^999 comes in.
I'm ensconced with the Timberwolves up here in the BWCAW~
so I have a tad of cabin fever. Well Poul didn't actually
say that about the Commanche..But the message in his million
year boat came out pretty close. I sure and the heck hope you don't have a limit on the characters in this comment
section. Goodnight Mr. Bear and thank you for the earwigging effort
of The City*** at the End*** of Time***.

P.S. Q. Is it possible for earwigs to be polydactal?

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From: Tim
Location:
Date: 11/14/2008

Knowing your imagination Greg - Fred will find Ginger in an alternative world line and the 'Naked chef' Jamie Oliver will use a distortion in the Higgs field to bring both dancers forward to 2009 - just in time to save us from Depression 2.0 and win 'So You Think You Can Dance?'


Tim

Re: CITY AT THE END OF TIME/ THE NIGHT LANDS/ANOTHER GREEN WORLD

From: Greg Bear
Date: 11/14/2008

Old man! Hmph. Great musings, Somakosmos (and a pretty cool name as well.) Earwigs, I believe, would be polytelsonic. Trying running that through a spell-checker.

Re: CITY AT THE END OF TIME/ THE NIGHT LANDS/ANOTHER GREEN WORLD

From: Greg Bear
Date: 11/14/2008

Cool idea! Fred and Ginger avatars will return to save us all. While we're at it, let's bring back that Radio City chorus line... did they actually dance before the 1933 showings of King Kong? Any experts remember? And if so, were they the Rockettes back then?

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From: Mike Glosson
Location: San Diego, CA
Date: 11/14/2008

One of the things we've let out of the discussions on CITY, other than my longer pieces, are all the terms you coined in the process of building the world of the book.

Fate Shifters and Sum-Runners being the central and most obvious.

Oh...but in the long long history of the far Future, and the quest to bring back Polybiblos: Sangmer and his bad of Philosopher-Adventurers

Philosopher-Adventurers! Almost sounds like how I lived my life in the 1990s.

And my favorite coined term from the book: Fate Mire. While used to describe the end result of being Collected I've been sneaking this word into conversations where possibilities are curtained down to nothing...even used it to discourage a friend from commiting an act of "political suicide" leading up to the recent election.

Then of course there's "Terminus" and "Gape"

But as a good Heideggerian the term "Fate Mire" just resounds and rebounds with the crashing possibilities of total lack of possibility in situations...not quite Terminus, but probably worse!

I could easily cross this term over into the central cultural mythos and language and make it almost as household a term as Cyberspace became for the Internet.

The coined terms may be my next effort on serious writing about CITY.

Before I forget: if you are still pondering appendixes for the paper back edition: a section on the various types of artificial matter would be...well...fun to read!

Mike

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From: Somakosmos Malheiro
Location: Basswood Lake Quetico Provincial Forest
Date: 11/15/2008

The a for the y was intentional...this is why..
A for Alpha...the binary code...the zero could be the O..here is how..
I got this from from the 6 9's person.
That person said to me..
" Awhile back i was in Buffalo, New York and desired
to purchase a Toyota Landcruiser..so i looked in the
Buffalo Evening News Sunday paper classified section.
33 landcruisers were for sale...all of the ads said they had worn hubs....i thought/what honest people~these
landcruiser owners are..but why would i want to purchase a vehicle with worn hubs..especially an all wheel drive!"
This person than said to me..." Many a time I have seen the New York Times best seller books listings and I always came to those years when Ken Kesey was there with
that one called "Sometimes a Great Nation"
Always my mind read it so..same as those ads in the Buffalo paper..
Worn hubs for Warn Hubs and Great Nation for Great Notion.
The transposition of A's and O's.
The 137th millionth Century Limited..we are all riding that Glory Train..The biggest wheels..The most powerful locomotives..The longest tracks..passenger and freight rolling stock that has everything that can be created by the known and unknown Periodic Tables.
The prayer of Matthias in "The House Beyond the Sky" is relevant to this and to tCatEoT...
"O God who is as far beyond the universes I span as infinity is beyond six; O startling Joy that hides beyond the tragedy and blindness of our finite forms; lend me Your humility and strength. Not for myself, O Lord, do I ask, but for Your people, the myriad mimetic engines of Your folk; and in Your own Name. Amen."
The infinity beyond six part is most revealing/Rosenbaum/possibly a Gnostic Jew who knows that the Demiurge of the Hebrew Testament is only an astray simpleton
factotum of the Ineffable First Principle.
Six is the number of matter/the number of the sidereal universe...a piddling puddle of base elements.
As Pritzger's Zohar tells over and over again..
The Shekinah is the only facet of the Word that is available to the lower realm verses {and I say/they can stop hiding Her/Him in the foundation or 10th sephiroth}..The 9th is the proper place. If you havn't read Pritzger//it is chock full of the funniest and weirdest stuff in any book that there is.
Thank you 'guy from the 50's' for your indulgence..and Crocuta Crocuta Spelaea Ursus Travertinus Spelaeas Teyjat to yorn. oops! I probably made another error? since i almost never use the spelling thingee.


Re: CITY AT THE END OF TIME/ THE NIGHT LANDS/ANOTHER GREEN WORLD

From: Greg Bear
Date: 11/15/2008

I certainly hope fate mire doesn't describe our present economic situation. My guess is, we're in this muck for at least a year--end of the present administration, beginning of the next one, and their learning curve), with two or three years for recovery. Not quite as bad as being collected.

Re: CITY AT THE END OF TIME/ THE NIGHT LANDS/ANOTHER GREEN WORLD

From: Greg Bear
Date: 11/15/2008

How nice to be among Gnostics! Takes me back to Nag Hamadi and FRAGMENTS OF A FAITH FORGOTTEN. Just as a trivial aside, here's a cinema question: in which very popular motion picture did the direst form of the Shekinah make a spectacular appearance?

Re: CITY AT THE END OF TIME/ THE NIGHT LANDS/ANOTHER GREEN WORLD

From: Mike Glosson
Location: San Diego, CA
Date: 11/15/2008

Greg:

"I certainly hope fate mire doesn't describe our present economic situation."

Yow...that's how it felt to me during parts of October, which was part of the emotional inspiration around "Becalmed". The "situation" which I was following microscopically closely was literally making me sick, and lead to a month of ill health...which I'm just getting over now.

As far as our possibiliities collapsing down to nothing...I think we are out of the worst of "that"...though it's not going to be anything like a cake walk in the near future, it's also not going to be dreadfully dire, that we are not hip deep in the tar of lost possibility.

After last night's post I ended up referring to one of my correspondents in China, who is over there doing a "free thought" project (and so far not hassled by the governement) as a Philosopher-Adventurer.

There are times that the last eight years have felt like they were progressing toward fate mire status...which on my second read of CITY gave me an uneasy feeling...that this novel should come out right as some many diverse strands in our society crashed into a brick wall.

You're really good at doing that...spooking readers into thinking deeper on issues...while providing hours of entertainment.

Mike

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From: Mike Glosson
Location: San Diego, CA
Date: 11/15/2008

On the Time Travel thing...the wife had DVR'd the BACK TO THE FUTURE movies, which we finally got up to III tonite. I'd seen the first one many times, but never II, and parts of III.

In the process of this she mentioned something she saw on SciFi Wire this morning:

http://www.scifi.com/scifiwire/index.php?category=0&id=62138

Some one else has bought the film rights to THE END OF ETERNITY, my favorite Asimov novel and favorite time travel novel...and one of the first things I thought of when I saw the original blurb for CITY, that and the "Ghost" of THE CITY AND THE STARS.

I am sad to here though that this book has been out of print for some time.

If it does well as a film (still way in pre-production) it might make CITY more of a possibility as a film.

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From: Somakosmos Malheiro
Location: Basswood Lake Quetico Provincial Forest
Date: 11/17/2008

tCatEoT had none..not an erratum!
Whereas The Dragons of Babel had errata/same for Thunderer and The Dreaming Void. 3 aboutz for each.

That all by itself makes Rajapolis unique.

Did you polish off some fine liquor or a 12 pack of
Ranier beer? 2 errata/Hamadi? Direst?
The second s for c..cs/an abbreviation for a powerful
temporal name of the S.
The missing m..could signify...Manike/as in
Phaedrus,244..." The act of the prophet is more perfect and
venerable than the act of the augur, by so much the more,
as the ancients testify, is madness superior to reflection,
for reflection is only human, but madness springs from Ultimate Reality." I feel sure that Socrates and Plato
would like my substitution of 'Ultimate Reality' for (the gods).Prophecy and Madness=Manike.
Plato and Socrates maintained that the Greek word
for prophecy(mantike) and the word for madness(manike)
was spurious divergence from the single word manike and that the t was added only in Plato's time. Cetainly the word
manike was in usage in Homer's time as well as in the time of the Great Poet Lady from Lesbos..a century of antiquity
is about 500 years of modern time>an acient greek accomplished in a day what it takes us to do in 5.
You are a Gnostic?

Fragment A...Cosmological Fragments of Basilides.
"The Octet of Subsistent Entities"
Irenaeus wrote of six in his summary....
Parent, intellect, verbal expression, wisdom, power,
and the sixth/prudence. The remaining 2/St. Irenaeus could not speak of as he had not the authority to do so.

St. Clement said "Basilides believes that "justice"
and its offspring "peace" substantially exist, being arranged inside an octet, where they remain."
Titus Flavius Clemens had the goodness in his heart
to speak of peace and justice.
Bishop Stephen Hoeller..Gnostic Bishop/Ecclesia Gnostica
Los Angeles has written a few books on Gnosticism and
the Shekinah.
Though Bishop Hoeller is a Wandering Bishop...The Augustinian Doctrine of Orders applies.
Bishop Hoeller's superior resides in the boreal
between the Lac La Croix reserve, Ontario, Canada and the North American Bear Center, Ely, Minnesota.
Is it Rachael of "Bladerunner"?
Guilietta Massina's character in "Nights of Calabria"?
Karen "the child of light" in "The Virgin Spring"?
Blonde Lucifer in "The Ninth Gate"?
Blonde androgyne Gabriel in "Constantine"
Dark haired JC/MM 67th great granddaughter in Da Vinci Code?
Darkhaired girl that the "Robot Monster" disobeyed
command and control for to get his gorilla arm mitts on in "Robot Monster" starring
future sci-fi writer George Nader?
Kristine Kaufmann girl in "Town Without Pity"?
Deborah Kerr underwear lady in "Night of the Iguana"?
Leslie Caron as she appeared dancing and singing
"Jolie Jaqueline" at the Chez Bozo on Bourbon Street "Glory Alley"?
Roy Batty of Bladerunner?
Jean Seeburg of Joan of Arc fame?
Lucious blonde wife of minister played by "Bonnie" of "Bonnie and Clyde" fame.."Little Big Man"?
Weena of The Time Machine..circa 1960?
Blonde who lived across the hotel hallway in "Eraserhead"?
Dunno..this could be a trick question!
I can't say that it's me..I mean Bishop Hoeller's
Superior...might be the Theologian of the Malthusian order of the Roman Catholic Church...He is the #1 Theologian of that highest order of the RCC.
He was offered the Bishop post of Opus Dei, Wash,D.C. when he was 26 and he refused because that Bishop is only answerable to the Fisherman..
The only Bishop in the world who has just one sliver of a leash. He told them Not at this time..perhaps at a later date...so they left the offer open for life.
Besides..Wandering Bishop...I mean Cardinal comes without any leash and is at least as legitimate....extra legitimate..he said.
"Senaon" is from The Nag Hammadi and it occurs only once in all the manuscripts of the NH...Many times the main epithet occurs/which is the "Concealed Aeon".
Is that the S...
Is the missing M..macro or meta as in
macrometasomakosmos?
I will not use live frogs to catch smallmouth bass/the one bait they cannot ignore...would earwigs with that added flash do the job?
Wonder if the bait shops would have a sack full of those special earwigs..
Am now looking at 670 words that I went through
with my time allotments to figure the meaning of 1298.
Hod...Yesod...Chokmah...Kether in reverse order..
numeral wise with reduction it could be a 3..Binah:Understanding...The Supernal Mother, The Great Sea, The Yoni, the Triangle....the Sphere of Operation is Shabbathi/it gives form and similitude onto chaotic matter.
And Jehovah Elohim is the perfection of Creation and the life of the World to come.(That is if you credit all the mumbo jumbo of the killers of canaan.)

Could be that construct 17.89 light minutes from here....supposed to have 51 billion square miles of living
space expansive and reconfigured to 10 or 100 or 1000 tmes that..with 51 quadrillion x 2/acre feet of potable water...can be here in 130 hours at 10% light..a leisurely pace I'm sure.
Supposed to have 6 drive units..3 aft and 3 fore...each of the 6 are 300 miles across.
Takes any name the owner wants...letters 700
miles high by 500 miles wide..so the name can be up to 23 letters long at that rate...could telescope out letters
10,000 high and wide or anysize...but a letter as big as everything...could that be seen?
What skycraper is exactly 1298 ft. including or excluding comm towers?
Is there an ocaen ship 1298 ft.?
is it the number of miles from Lynnwood to somewhere...is it an I.Q.?
not a prime!...the exact number of nanoseconds
to fire an encrypted message from here to Thule?
Thanks for being a nice guy...Mr. Bear..

P.S. worked at a zoo as soph. in HS and
don't you buy no spider monkey for pet...they open books and will dump on pages and just about anywhere else.










Re: CITY AT THE END OF TIME/ THE NIGHT LANDS/ANOTHER GREEN WORLD

From: Greg Bear
Date: 11/17/2008

Makes a difference as to whether the rights were bought or optioned, of course. Outright purchase may indicate very serious intent.

Re: CITY AT THE END OF TIME/ THE NIGHT LANDS/ANOTHER GREEN WORLD

From: Somakosmos Malheiro
Location: Basswod Lake Quetico Provincial Forest
Date: 11/17/2008

If I wasn't thinking about Dire Wolves..
Direst....that narrows it down... my faced became pink for a second due to embarssment...Hamadi's not a mistake either is it?
You tricked me into revealing things.Strike that/tricked my ownself.
you cannot be faulted in any event...you are a very clever& intelligent human..I'm not(intelligent/well the needle oscillates on the upper half...I only have intellect.
cause you got me... big plum this/an ostrogoth variation of the word 'chaos' is an identifcation marker 3 levels removed from a current name of the incarnated Shekinah...to bad the Ostrogoth of c.e.399 is a {somewhat} lost dialect.
another reward for your smarts..
Tell me what bothers you/is it this?
Accelerometer blues?

The molecules of existence are moving @approx 2.3m mph..
if the 72% ratio of so-called dark stuff is increased 5%
all matter zooms to light speed and no waiting 1000 billion years for acceleration arc to reach light speed.
It is a quantum effect...the nit who did it..thought it was making something immortal..but when can an engendered thing make something unengendered.
thats not half the story...that big boy at 11.9+bm
out is not a generation starship...for travel to higher realms...only does it the way it will/for the equilibrium of and funtimes
for the guests. Direst form of the S. hmmm/The Shekinah is about Love not living and dying again...Living and not dying again as the Gnostics said.


Re: CITY AT THE END OF TIME/ THE NIGHT LANDS/ANOTHER GREEN WORLD

From: Mike Glosson
Location: San Diego, CA
Date: 11/17/2008

Regarding Eternity's Movie Rights: This has been the second time it's gone into Pre-Production, but with a totally different team. According to the piece they are still shopping for a Director, with no screen play yet.

That whole train of thought Saturday Night lead me to pulling all of Ike's FOUNDATION work I have here, plus three newer Novels by three up and coming writers ten years back...well, actually, already well established in their own fields creations, you being one of them.

It had been 8 years since I had read the "New Trilogy" which I much enjoyed, The "Chimps" and "Worm Holes" in Benford's part, your exhibit of the "Chaos" in humanity in book two, then Brin's work at wrapping it up.

This got me thinking about October's "Pseduo-Fate-Mire" being more along the lines of Chaos errupting from the collective human mind in the modern Spin on the Foundation Universe.

I'm at a loss regarding the Shekinah manifesting in a dire form in Cinema...but I've been done with a major migraine since 4 AM today. Unless we are talking about the Climax Scene in RAIDERS OF THE LOST ART. My Cabala teacher talked about some prophesy regarding her in the Zohar, and that world rulers in the future would try and steal her from the Creator...

Just a note: Live Journal will probably be down most of this week for a Move, making my Another Green World items inaccessible. I may end up dropping my more "literary" output on a Blogspot journal at some point.

Trying to have a better week...at least Forry is still with us!

Mike

Re: CITY AT THE END OF TIME/ THE NIGHT LANDS/ANOTHER GREEN WORLD

From: Greg Bear
Date: 11/18/2008

I think we need to bring in William Vollman and maybe even Phil Dick as interpreters! But I'll definitely stay away from spider monkeys until everything's on my washable Kindle...

Re: CITY AT THE END OF TIME/ THE NIGHT LANDS/ANOTHER GREEN WORLD

From: Greg Bear
Date: 11/18/2008

Some Jewish housewives make signs and spit when you mention the Shekinah... the punishing hand of God in some conceptions, in others, more ancient, God's handmaiden or even wife. Still no answer to my trivia question about the movie appearance? If everyone gives up, I'll spring a clue...

Re: CITY AT THE END OF TIME/ THE NIGHT LANDS/ANOTHER GREEN WORLD

From: Greg Bear
Date: 11/18/2008

We have a winner! RAIDERS it is.

Re: CITY AT THE END OF TIME/ THE NIGHT LANDS/ANOTHER GREEN WORLD

From: Mike Glosson
Location: San Diego, CA
Date: 11/18/2008

Wow...that power of the Migraine...even though I got part of the Movie title wrong: Lost Art for Lost Ark.

I haven't yet encourted the house wives spitting when Shekina's name is mentioned, then again I know better than to talk about the Kaballah in front of Jewish Women, just one of those stranger Gender Seperation things in Jewish Culture.

My Warning on Live Journal appears to have been overly pesimistic, but as of this writing 1:26 PM, it's still mightily sluggish.

The Live Journal connected with the CITY AT THE END OF TIME promo site should still be working.

Re: CITY AT THE END OF TIME/ THE NIGHT LANDS/ANOTHER GREEN WORLD

From: Somakosmos Malheiro
Location: Basswood Lake Quetico Provincial Forest
Date: 11/18/2008

I thought I had lost you..cuz of the madness..
and I scrolled down this and didn't want to read any small response,if any...to say first of all...17.89 light hours
is the actual distance/and when I was walking into the forest I thought...why do I think people would agree in any way that "Robot Monster" was a very famous film.
And the direst mistake? hurt for a bit...
but it was the mind reading what the true mind saw.
The Shekinah cannot be in a dire situation...because it is the Consort and has guardians without limit.
The Jews are only hiding it/because they did not want any possibility of it not happening...they can't think beyond that..who can!
Of course/The Matrix/I thought you were referring
to the chocolate chip lady/than it was Neo...afterall the
Shekinah could be a Man...or a metasexual...
I will admit that I'am a Cosmologist Theologian..I'am Theologian
to all of the First Nation's of North America...those that cling to and will not deviate from their belief in the Great Spirit which is synonymous with the Ineffable First Principle....It has alway been my hope that truth can enter into Caucasoid minds/the creatures of the forest all know truth..a turtle knows truth before any other...
...Truth..the name of the girl
in Cordwainer Smith's story..."On the Storm Planet"/that young girl had a speck of the Shekinah in her mind..if a speck can accomplish that..what of the entirety of it. Now I will enter this and scroll and hope.

Re: CITY AT THE END OF TIME/ THE NIGHT LANDS/ANOTHER GREEN WORLD

From: Somakosmos Malheiro
Location: Basswood Lake Quetico Provincial Forest
Date: 11/18/2008

Kindle? you used that word.
a rare enough word....on the JS board from a member
who was responding to an entry by mmsk.
Co-incidence factor acceptable level-will investigate further in any event.
The Shekinah is not about anger or destruction.
The Ark of the Covenant is a repository of
force...the vril battery for the Lord of Manifestation.
The Shekinah is beyond that.
The Shekinah is from outside the brane.
The Shekinah loved PKD.
PKD loved the Shekinah.

Re: CITY AT THE END OF TIME/ THE NIGHT LANDS/ANOTHER GREEN WORLD

From: Somakosmos Malheiro
Location: Basswood Lake Quetico Provincial Forest
Date: 11/19/2008

After the opening part of tCatEoT...when you introduced G.
before he had his visit with the Moth...
I knew G. was a good man.
William V./I suppose/knows about the nature of good men.
Prostitutes/always a great novel...should have a place for these wonderful women.
I think there was 1 Mary Magdalene
kind in tCaTEot.
The homeless persons in the novel.
Have you stopped and thrown them a juicy bone now & again
there in Seattleland?
I bet you have.
True...Bill V. might tumble to what this all
could mean...PKD resides in the Pleromamany people including sc-fi writers are derisive with their written and oral remarks about Horselover Tubby.
PKD had a chat with BZ...He/like MLK..knew he wasn't going to be around for much longer...PKD did put it pretty well in The Exegesis..In Search of Valis/page 83-84 theoretical Explorations/underwood-miller softcover edition-L. Sutin,editor.
He worried about saying this(83-84)...even if he had not the intention of the exegesis ever becoming public.
That is why later in the ramblings/he put the part
in about the (ultimate)entity living in Sri Lanka.
which reminds me...did you hold off putting
the Ultima Entity info on your public board..I suppose it
was too strange/inasmuch as gunk about the non-electronic
classified dossier with the cover that reads...U E 1... and that outlandish penalty for simply touching it as if anyone except the one authorized person could ever come within 1,100 feet of concrete and steel and all those layers of lethal security/
Or it was an intercept and/or you are on the side of the goodguys in the intelligence sector.{giggle}
In San Diego...that woman mayoral candidate
a few years ago...ran on a platform/with a main plank being.."Cracking down on the homeless" in San Diego.
Not as bad a place for the homeless as Miami, Fla and Lawrence, Kansas..if you can believe the reports in the National Newspaper of the Homeless.
That newspaper which could be extant..takes display ads...with the money going to help the Homeless and distribution of paper.
What a great place to run a marketing ad*eh!
I think a quarter page is only $500...
The paper is probably defunct...
Can you imagine Radio City Music Hall or Eddie Bauer advertising
the Rockettes and 5 lb. goosedown sleeping bags respectively in that paper?
I always help with the local food bank up here and
yesterday..10 cases of Kokalada came in from Zagreb...chocolate covered cherries as good as Cella..and Elk steaks and roasts from a local doctor and his doctor wife...Mr. Doctor harvested it(ugh) out near Richfield, Utah...a small town that I have driven thru a few times when I drove the loneliest hwy in America,,it is a interstate junction for going south to St. George and Las Vegas...going due west from there is Hyw 50..which eventually winds up around Fallon, Nevada. A few hundred miles east of Fallon and well east of Ely, Nevada is the
no services warnings next 168 miles...makes for no one driving this U.S. Hwy during the dusk to dawn time.
IT is the only time to drive it as the Jackrabbits
use the hwy on moonlit nights to have conclaves..tens of thousands of them over a certain 15 mile stretch.
Oh oh! just got flick'd by Deja vu or some
snicker of eternal recurrence.




Re: CITY AT THE END OF TIME/ THE NIGHT LANDS/ANOTHER GREEN WORLD

From: Mike Glosson
Location: San Diego, CA
Date: 11/24/2008

A "final" word on the ANOTHER GREEN WORLD project...while my notes state it was originally inspired 28 years ago in a letter to Greg Bear...it first reappeared on February 26th of this year, having been mulled over on the night of February 25th

The original statement "I'll start it tomorrow"...and it wasn't started and finished for another 8 months! With the last track done on October 15th, and the Afterward/Guide on the 19th!

Makes me worry about my production speed for "focused works" even though I write on average 3000 words a day. This while going thru my virtual desk...where I've found speculations regarding CITY going back that far and further.

That's the next editing/gathering task: Speculative notes regarding CITY pre-publication...all toward that more serious and focused piece about CITY I still want to write.

Mike

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