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Topic: Scientific theory in Blood Music

From: Jim Wyatt
Location: Guernsey, Channel Islands
Date: 10/16/2008

Hi. I have just finished reading Blood Music (fantastic by the way), and was facinated one of the theories touched upon. I have read a little into Anthropic Principle, but it was the idea that to some measure we shape the laws of the universe as we develop within it.
Id be really interested to hear any further thoughts you had on this, or if you could suggest any further writings on the subject

Thank you for your time

Jim

Re: Scientific theory in Blood Music

From: Greg Bear
Date: 10/16/2008

Actually, BLOOD MUSIC is a hyper example of the Copenhagen interpretation of quantum mechanics. Look that up on any search engine and you'll find hours of fine reading.

Re: Scientific theory in Blood Music

From: patrick
Location:
Date: 10/18/2008

Yes, but little definition in what determines an 'observation'. After searching for answers to my questions, below, I came across David Deutsch's website and thought I'd ask him:

Me: Does a quantum event require one or the other: a detection?...or a person knowing the result? Or, are you saying, neither?

Deutsch: Yes, neither.


He said this answer wasn't widely accepted, though.

Re: Scientific theory in Blood Music

From: Greg Bear
Date: 10/24/2008

I recall Heinz Pagels reached the same conclusion. But it's difficult to design an experiment that is not eventually witnessed by an observer!

Re: Scientific theory in Blood Music

From: patrick
Location:
Date: 10/24/2008

Well, at least the data from it. So how the hell do you know? How the hell did the idea come up in the first place? Seems like nonsense to me.

Re: Scientific theory in Blood Music

From: Greg Bear
Date: 10/27/2008

Does sound like nonsense (as does much of 20th century physics, from a materialist-rationalist perspective), but significant aspects of this interpretation of the theory have been pretty well confirmed. Physicists like John Cramer, Pagels, and apparently David Deutsch have proposed reasonable and on occasion brilliant work-arounds or alternatives, but frankly, I like this connection between observer and reality... always have! (And observations are always encoded in data--which is part of the conceit in CITY AT THE END OF TIME, that text--data--is the DNA of the universe.)

Re: Scientific theory in Blood Music

From: Bill Goodwin
Location: Los Angeles, CA
Date: 11/16/2008

"There once was a man who said, "God,

Must think it exceedingly odd

If he finds that this tree

Continues to be

When there's no one about in the Quad.""

--Ronald Knox

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