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Topic: dimensions of Axis Nader, Euclid and Thoreau?

From: David Martin
Location: Ottawa, Canada
Date: 08/22/2008

Mr. Bear,

A thousand thanks for your wonderful novel Eon. I'm a Ph.D. in nuclear physics and am familiar with General Relativity: your writing has an astounding authenticity for curved spacetime concepts.

As part of a planned animation, I'm trying to create a 3D model of Axis City, but I can't seem to find the diameter of the cylindrical Precincts. I've done a first draft at:

http://www.djfilms.ca/QTstills/axisCity.html

Any guidance on dimensions and textures gratefully received. (The textures, singularity and tube glow just in draft as well.)

best regards, David

Re: dimensions of Axis Nader, Euclid and Thoreau?

From: Greg Bear
Date: 09/01/2008

Thanks, David! At Denvention I did a reasonable defense of the Pi-meter... The dimensions of each chamber in the Stone are about ten kilometers by fifty, as I recall, with fifty being the diameter and ten the length. Each chamber is a kind of thick disk. Haven't visited them in a while... nice to see them visualized!

Re: dimensions of Axis Nader, Euclid and Thoreau?

From: patrick
Location:
Date: 09/04/2008

Hasn't someone already 'drawn' this?

Re: dimensions of Axis Nader, Euclid and Thoreau?

From: Greg Bear
Date: 09/04/2008

The web has had a number of good depictions and diagrams in the past ten years. Don't know how many are still up and viewable... but there's always the CGSociety EON Challenge entries and winners.

Re: dimensions of Axis Nader, Euclid and Thoreau?

From: patrick
Location:
Date: 09/05/2008

Mm. You know, I hadn't realised the dimensions. I thought it was the reverse - each chamber longer than wide. Ten kilometers isn't that far. A few miles. Easy to see across. Fifty kilometers, however, that's far to see very much detail.

But wait. He's interested in the City.

Re: dimensions of Axis Nader, Euclid and Thoreau?

From: Greg Bear
Date: 09/05/2008

Axis City is in the Way itself, which is fifty kilometers wide, but not limited in length. However, seeing through two layers of atmosphere, across fifty kilometers, would be pretty easy. On a clear day... Jim Burns's depiction of the Way is still my favorite.

Re: dimensions of Axis Nader, Euclid and Thoreau?

From: David Martin
Location: Ottawa, Canada
Date: 09/05/2008

Thanks for your responses. Actually, I was only interested in the relative dimensions of the Axis City components.: what are the radii of Axis Nader, Euclid and Thoreau, relative to the dimensions of Central city? CC fits into a cube to 10km diameter, and the entire complex is 40km long The image draft I posted was a guess at the other dimensions..

FYI, I'm creating an animation of a journey from entry into the Stone right through to the 7th chamber and Axis City in the Way. While there are some sizes mentioned in Eon,not all are. I'd like to be as faithful to Mr. Bear's vision as possible, hence my squawk for help. Rendering an atmosphere in a cylindrical geometry is proving difficult (I'm using Vue6 and C4d).

I've looked at the CGTalk competition, but I feel most entries did not capture the awe-inspiring cylindrical word (except Stonemason's entry).

Also, I can't find Jim Burns' depiction on the web. Any URL you can give me?

regards, David

Re: dimensions of Axis Nader, Euclid and Thoreau?

From: Greg Bear
Date: 09/05/2008

I don't know of any URLs for Jim's painting, but the UK cover for the hardback of EON uses it, as well as the U.S. edition of my collection TANGENTS.

Re: dimensions of Axis Nader, Euclid and Thoreau?

From: Alex Brady
Location: st neots
Date: 06/16/2010

Hi David, if youre read this Id love to help with your project. Ive occaisionally tried to quickly sketch up the interior of Thistledown/The Way too, with limited success, but one day Ill spend some real time on it and Id love to use your interpretation of the Axis cities if you make one.

http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j208/rodmcban/thistledown2copychalky.jpg?t=1276714620

Re: dimensions of Axis Nader, Euclid and Thoreau?

From: Greg Bear
Date: 06/19/2010

Terrific! And once again I refer folks to the CGSociety EON Challenge page.

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