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Topic: Eon - eventual movie-adaption

From: Roger Pedersen
Location: Sandnessj￸en
Date: 07/22/2007

I watched the winning contribution of the CG-Contest and I must say that I was impressed. An eventual "Eon"-adaption would do best as an CG-animated affair like "Final Fantasy" (or a hybrid-affair like "Sky Captain").

What do you think,Greg?

Re: Eon - eventual movie-adaption

From: Greg Bear
Date: 07/22/2007

Could be very good. With some exceptions, however, these CG animated theatrical features aren't much cheaper than their real-life counterparts!

Re: Eon - eventual movie-adaption

From: Roger Pedersen
Location: Sandnessj￸en
Date: 07/22/2007

True.. but CG does tend to get cheaper for each day that goes by, since the technology (computers and such) also gets cheaper to buy and utilitize.

Re: Eon - eventual movie-adaption

From: Greg Bear
Date: 07/22/2007

As shown by these wonderful short films. But there's still quite a distance between a theatrical effort and a lower-rez picture. A few more years, though--and who knows?

Re: Eon - eventual movie-adaption

From: Roger Pedersen
Location: Sandnessj￸en
Date: 07/23/2007

Exactly.. Who knows?

And it doesn't even have to be years.. Maybe just one or two years..

Re: Eon - eventual movie-adaption

From: jofa
Location: uk
Date: 10/05/2007

Too much cgi would cheapen eon - in much the same way later (or is that earlier?) star wars films were spoiled with too many effects. To me it's more a story about the human condition. Thistledown can be created using locations and organic materials as can the way and the axis colonies. The difference in cost would be small price to pay.

Re: Eon - eventual movie-adaption

From: Greg Bear
Date: 10/06/2007

But CGI is about the only way a film like this can be made now. Not that it's cheaper--

Still, it would be interesting to do an old-fashioned big-budget production, with stop-motion animation and Albert Whitlock matte paintings and model work... Might even be a selling point! (But I'm not so sure an old-fashioned production would ever be considered "green...")

Re: Eon - eventual movie-adaption

From: Roger Pedersen
Location: Sandnessj￸en
Date: 10/06/2007

I do agree with Jofa that too much CG would cheapen the production, the CG should not be made just for the sake of CG but to help create and tell the story. Just like all other special effects..

But I also do agree with you that CG might be the only way that EON can be realized.. Maybe you should contact JMS and his team for help (Just look at Lost Tales.. Great graphics which looks incredibly lifelike)

Re: Eon - eventual movie-adaption

From: jofa
Location: uk
Date: 10/09/2007

Sorry Mr B. You are the creator of this environment. It's true - many of the scapes would need elements of cgi but I can't see that that realism would ever be recreated faithfully using computer modelling alone in the next 10-20 years. As far as green issues are concerned would it really be better to burn up tonnes of energy using processor power?

There is of course a heavy sci-fi nature in the series but your writing is very strong on dialogue and emotion. What I love about eon it that it could be framed in any eon. The Naderite environments could be faithfully recreated in modern day London. The frant world could be rurual New Zealand/Australia? Flawships can be made of metal. Axis city would need cgi but many of the key visuals almost need an old fashioned approach. Not Terry Gilliam but something similar.

Anyway I'll bog off now. Sorry.

Nominate me an section and give me a fortnight and I'll write you some incidental music??

JJ

Re: Eon - eventual movie-adaption

From: James Foley Jr
Location: Grand Rapids, MI
Date: 10/15/2007

I stumbled upon the video while searching for other things and got really excited after seeing the what has been done... now I am dissapointed to find that this is all there is.

I am a sci-fi/sci-fantasy junky. I read all the books I can lay hands on. I eagerly await the release of the full length video of EON.

People tend to nit-pick projects like Star Wars... too much happening, etc. Look at the videos and see a graphic representation of an imagined "real" world with a population going about its daily life as recorded by the fantasy camera. What is to nit-pick? CGI has only made movies better. Some people should try suspending disbelief and just enjoy it for entertainment value. After the 14th viewing, I might pick a nit about something but still find it enjoyable to watch.

Greg, here is a vote that you go with the movie/video project!

Re: Eon - eventual movie-adaption

From: Greg Bear
Date: 10/16/2007

The only problem I have with CGI is we no longer need vast sets and huge armies of extras and real airplanes and that sort of thing. I like spectacle!

Re: Eon - eventual movie-adaption

From: Richard Stephens
Location: Manchester, UK
Date: 11/14/2007

I got to the CG Challenge site through Wikipedia, of all places. I read Eon years ago and still cherish my trade paperback of it, a wonderful book.

I too was initially so excited (and a bit surprised) at the prospect of an EON movie, only to have those hopes somewhat dashed. Nevertheless, the trailers etc were top notch in most respects (although the shape of Thistledown was all wrong in the winning trailer) and very beautiful shorts in their own right.

Maybe some studio or other will find the courage to realsie this as a theatrical movie some day...

BTW, I agree with both sides of the CG debate here. Too much CG can make a movie look cheap if it's over-done just for the sake of it, witness SW Eps I-III, but used appropriately, and provided it's of sufficiently high quality, it would be the only way to do a lot of the Eon story properly. Well, short of actually getting Juno into Earth orbit and starting to dig...

Anyhow, fingers crossed..

Rich

Re: Eon - eventual movie-adaption

From: Greg Bear
Date: 11/14/2007

Saw TRANSFORMERS recently--enjoyable film, with astonishing CGI, particularly with regard to clarity, complexity, and the textures and optics of surfaces. Very expensive, I suspect! Looking forward to BEOWULF, for a number of reasons.

Re: Eon - eventual movie-adaption

From: Matthew Crome
Location: San Francisco
Date: 03/27/2008

I also stumbled upon the CG videos and was very impressed with all the CG videos. I was very excited and then disappointed only to discover there isn't going to be a movie. I read the books years ago and it still remains one of my all time favorites. I figured I'd add my voice in the hopes of an eventual movie.

Re: Eon - eventual movie-adaption

From: Greg Bear
Date: 03/28/2008

Thanks, Matthew!

Re: Eon - eventual movie-adaption

From: Matthew Smith
Location: Adelaide, Australia
Date: 09/22/2008

I'd like to put forward my vote for a movie too. Eon is probably my favourite novel, I absolutely loved it. Thanks for writing it Greg.

Finally, I wish people would stop hammering starwars, the series in its entirety is excellent also. People need to look at their wayward expectations of a movie I think and stop being so critical.

Re: Eon - eventual movie-adaption

From: Greg Bear
Date: 09/25/2008

I'm a fan of STAR WARS. Have been from the beginning.

Re: Eon - eventual movie-adaption

From: james mc mahon
Location: galway,ireland
Date: 10/21/2008

greg, hi i cant believe it i just saw the cgi trailers omg im 34 i read your book 15 years(i've read it about once a year since) ago and to this day STILL im waiting for the movie the trailers are good but this movie has to be live action i love your book the greatest story i ever read i have two copys of it!!!! will somebody give this book to the people in hollywood and lets get this thing going for god sake!!! its nuts there should be a tv series by now or something! so anyway cgi live action i dont care i need a movie of this or im going to go mad!! see ya later

Re: Eon - eventual movie-adaption

From: Di Kennedy
Location: Newcastle, NSW, Australia
Date: 10/24/2008

Hi Greg & Others

I too think it would be fantastic if it was put into film - I think CGI would be the only way to go: I really don't know whether you'd get the feeling of vastness of the way any other way. I think anything less would probably reduce the feeling of space and power of the previous occupants.

I think the problem with CGI in a lot of other SciFi movies is not a matter of the usage of CGI, it's the content - I'm very much over SF movies (and books, for that matter) that constantly portray aliens as 'baddies' and use the CGI to over emphasise the blood and gore. For this reason (or lack thereof, as the case actually is) Contact is one of my favourite all time SF movies: I'd be extremely happy for 'Eon' to take over that place!

Keep up the great work, Greg - I love all your books, particularly what you did with the Foundation series - Dr Asimov would have been more than happy!

Re: Eon - eventual movie-adaption

From: Greg Bear
Date: 10/24/2008

There's been sporadic interest in LA, and the book is circulating--but the focus is still on THE FORGE OF GOD and ANVIL OF STARS. No options for EON yet.

Re: Eon - eventual movie-adaption

From: Greg Bear
Date: 10/24/2008

Thanks, Di--I'm very fond of CONTACT as well.

Re: Eon - eventual movie-adaption

From: Steve Cooper
Location: UK
Date: 11/25/2008

Hi Greg

I don't think EON could be done in a single movie without loosing alot of the attention to detail (not just the the landscapes) you put into it.

Contact lost alot from book to film.

I read EON and Eternity when they first came out and was blown away by the vast pictures you were painting. Both are my all time favourites along with The Forge of God.

What about an Epic style mini series for Eon and Eternity on the same scale as Band of Brothers with feature film budgets?.. now that would be my dream!

Re: Eon - eventual movie-adaption

From: Greg Bear
Date: 12/03/2008

All good ideas. Know anyone with $40,000,000 dollars and a crew of talented screenwriters and producers and directors? Not being flip--that's how hard it is to get such ideas together, the team has to be in place as well. But it all starts with screenwriters!

Re: Eon - eventual movie-adaption

From: todd d
Location: Charlotte, NC
Date: 04/20/2009

Stumbled on the trailers (two years later). Thought they were great. I don't care if it is animated....I still think any kind of movie would be great! Has anyone come up with 40,000,000 yet? Whats the word?

Re: Eon - eventual movie-adaption

From: Greg Bear
Date: 04/25/2009

Probably more like 100,000,000. No nibbles yet.

Re: Eon - eventual movie-adaption

From: Roger Pedersen
Location: Sandnessj￸en, Norway
Date: 04/25/2009

I do agree that EON is to big to be made into a single movie.. I would prefer to see it be made as a miniseries, that would perhaps be the best.. Or a triparter like the LotR-movies..

Re: Eon - eventual movie-adaption

From: Greg Bear
Date: 04/30/2009

That would be fun.

Re: Eon - eventual movie-adaption

From: Graig Burns
Location: Enderby BC Canada
Date: 05/29/2009

For Gods' Sakes--- MAKE THE FRACKIN' MOVIE!

Ugh was he really referencing BSG?
EON is the most incredible fascinating mind-blowing movie that could ever be made, and a series would be the inevitable use for all those sets, either CGI or actual?

Graig Burns, Enderby BC Canada

PS, another good series to movie is the Forge of God

Re: Eon - eventual movie-adaption

From: Greg Bear
Date: 05/31/2009

FORGE/ANVIL still in development--and if anyone wants to make a 3-hr epic space war film, we've already got the best screenplay I've ever read in the genre, from Ken Nolan. A superb piece of work. But the current goal is to bring it down to a more manageable two hours.

Re: Eon - eventual movie-adaption

From: Wizzard Dragleonus (alias/pen name)
Location: South Africa
Date: 05/28/2011

Hmmm... I wonder if anyone else besides me has read this post recently.. lol.

Was also looking for an Eon movie... A pity there isn't one yet.

As has been previously stated above... It is an awesome book..

Its memories still linger in my mind.. hence the search for a movie.. so that i may relive the experience... since i have no time for reading anymore...

And so that i can share that experience with my friends and family who have not read it, and are otherwise also too engaged... lol

hehe...

I don't even know why i'm bothering to write something here.. I hardly ever do... perhaps something...

I dream to become a writer one day too... I have received many compliments on my writing(Facebook)

but alas.. as mentioned earlier... pressing matters engage all of my time... but perhaps one day...

Excuse me if my writing is not so good... I have had no formal training in writing apart from high school.. I just love to write... lol..

anyways.. I think i'll go and write something on facebook now... perhaps...

cheers all...

goodbye...

(I guess i was attracted by all the intellectuals here, and the common interests)

I too am a great fan of sci-fi, and Contact is also one of my most favorite movies... thought provoking stuff... sci-fi..

anyways.. bye for now...

Re: Eon - eventual movie-adaption

From: Mike Kober
Location: Milwaukee, WI
Date: 06/25/2011

I stumbled across this thread while I was looking for potential movies about my favorite Sci-Fi books. Eon, plus a host of other Greg Bear books are among my top favorites.

There have been a handful of decent sci-fi movies in the past few years, but most suck. In my searching I saw that Morgan Freeman was trying to get Rendevous with Rama as a movie. This led me to look at Eon, which I actually place above Rama.

Any luck moving forward with a screenplay for Eon?!

Re: Eon - eventual movie-adaption

From: Greg Bear
Date: 07/30/2011

Good to hear from you, Wizzard! I, too, am a fan of CONTACT. Keep up the writing! The more you write, the better you get.

Re: Eon - eventual movie-adaption

From: Greg Bear
Date: 08/07/2011

Still talking with interested parties, Mike. Wish us luck!

Re: Eon - eventual movie-adaption

From: Sean
Location: South Africa
Date: 08/30/2011

I am an avid fan of scifi, in fact I have an entire bookshelf reserved only for this genre and am busy filling my second one, and as mentioned above there are only a very few movies that even begin to come anywhere close to "good". I have been holding my breath for the last couple of years since I first read the book for a movie and will continue to do so. It is one of my all time favorite books and I tend to reread it about once a year. I kept an eye out when the CG challenge did the compo for Eon, and there I loved some of the interpretations. I wish I'd had the ability to take part, but unfortunately I am CG challenged. Please keep up the talks.

Always inspired

Sean

Re: Eon - eventual movie-adaption

From: Andy Houghton
Location: Romford, London
Date: 09/13/2011

Like the last few posts I stumbled across this whilst looking for news about an Eon movie. I have just finished reading Eternity, which is also excellent, and easier to read than Eon i found, some of Eon goes straight over my head. But they are both excellent stories.

I just wish someone would bring them to the screen. Big preferably, but a small screen miniseries would also be amazing.

Good luck Mr Bear, and any news??

Re: Eon - eventual movie-adaption

From: Greg Bear
Date: 09/25/2011

Will do, Sean! Thanks.

Re: Eon - eventual movie-adaption

From: Greg Bear
Date: 09/25/2011

Still working on it! No firm news yet. Thanks, Andy.

Re: Eon - eventual movie-adaption

From: SkeedR
Location: UK
Date: 10/30/2011

I've just come across this and as it's been a while, how're the talks going Mr Bear? I'd love to see a well done film adaptation of EON. I'm certain it'd even blow away Transformers (The first, the second and third... :meh:). Also, great books (EON, Forge of God and their sequels).

SkeedR

Re: Eon - eventual movie-adaption

From: Herve
Location: Lorraine, France
Date: 12/07/2011

I am reading Eon for the second time (first time i was 16 yo, now 33), and still enjoying it as a true "chef d'oeuvre".

Whereas billions of $ and huge amount of CGI are spent in some poor movies or remakes, The Way is still waiting for a producer, and we, readers, are still waiting for the movie...what a mess...did James Cameron ever pay attention to Olmy and Patricia's adventures ?

Nevertheless, please Greg receive my sincere thanks for the good times they give.

Re: Eon - eventual movie-adaption

From: Greg Bear
Date: 01/16/2012

Nothing new or exciting at the moment. Occasional perks of interest! Thanks, SkeedR.

Re: Eon - eventual movie-adaption

From: Greg Bear
Date: 01/17/2012

Thanks, Herve! I think we're actually in a golden age of sf and fantasy films. That doesn't mean some more good ones can't be made!

Re: Eon - eventual movie-adaption

From: Justas R.
Location: Lithuania
Date: 03/17/2012

I'm a young filmmaker, working on my first feature now. I'm reading EON now and if nobody will adapt it in next decades I will definitely do this because it became my new dream to put this story into the screen. Thank you, Greg, for sharing it with the world.

Re: Eon - eventual movie-adaption

From: Greg Bear
Date: 04/07/2012

Good to hear from you, Justas! We have a good many friends in the Lithuanian community here in Seattle. Let me know when your first feature is ready--I'll keep my eye out for it, and pass along the word to our friends here.

Re: Eon - eventual movie-adaption

From: darach b
Location: Bay Area
Date: 10/22/2013

Any new news on film adaption of EON/Eternity?

I first read EON back in 1992 and re-read it every 5 years or so (as well Eternity).

Since Hollywood is so lacking in original material at the moment (remakes of almost everything, apart from LOTR etc), isn't it time for EON/Eternity to be made into a film series. I would love to see the Stone/Way in IMAX...

Re: Eon - eventual movie-adaption

From: Greg Bear
Date: 10/24/2013

As would I, darach!

Re: Eon - eventual movie-adaption

From: Ewan Morrell
Location: South Island, New Zealand
Date: 05/17/2014

I've just finished reading Eon for the second time, (first time was 20 years ago), what a stunning achievement the book is. I would love to see it made into a movie or series. Still trying to get my head around the space-time twisting concept of all of it. Thank you for writing a great book.

Re: Eon - eventual movie-adaption

From: Greg Bear
Date: 05/17/2014

Thank you, Ewan! I haven't quite managed the geometry myself. Twists me in pretzels!

Eon movie (did some one say it was a series of books?)

From: Graham Lee
Location: Nevermore
Date: 06/21/2014

Hi there Greg, you are one of the most amazing authors (sorry, Robert Jordan gets the top spot)

I borrowed this book from a friend of mine about 10 years ago (never returned it)

and i only just started reading it last night... im on chapter 2 SPOILERS AHEAD!!!
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The part where Gary is in his office after doing gymnastics in the *Stone*...

ok... this has been going on for some 7 years now... PLEASE can you turn this into a film? this is soooo amazing!!!

and it CAN be done with live action (just look at *Red Planet* or w/e it was called with Gary Sinise or what ever his name was)

ALSO near the top of the page i saw someone mention that Eon was a *series* of books??? or was that my misunderstanding?

Also Gary, do you have any similar books in circulation???

Thanks

Eon movie (did some one say it was a series of books?)

From: Greg Bear
Date: 07/18/2014

Hello, Graham!

Thanks for the kind words. After the novellas, "The Wind from a Burning Woman," and "The Way of All Ghosts" (both available in my collected stories) comes LEGACY, EON, and ETERNITY. That completes the series--so far!

Greg

Re: Eon - eventual movie-adaption

From: John Seldon
Location: Bristol, United Kingdom
Date: 10/15/2014

I started reading through the sci-fi masterworks recently and was pleased to see Eon included in the list. I first read Eon in my late teens (I'm 41 now) and it totally blew me away, as did Eternity. Reading them again now and they are just as good.

I was kind of hoping this would have been optioned by now, but sadly not. I think it would probably be better as a TV series rather than a film, as films often tend to lack the detail of a book.

When I read Eon originally, Legacy hadn't been written, so I'm going to read that next.

Re: Eon - eventual movie-adaption... or while we are waiting......

From: Martin Dean
Location: Mauritius (temporarily) UK (ordinarily)
Date: 11/04/2014

I too would love to see EON as a movie and cannot believe this thread has been active for 7 years!

When you look at the rubbish that actually does get made, it is a great shame that this series has not been snapped up.

MEANWHILE... I was wondering if you have considered another novel... beyond Eternity.

Olmy is on the Frant world; Tapi has only just been born, Suli is on Earth and I am certain that Gary, Ry Oyu and Mirsky would love to take on some new pan-universe struggle, even with some Jarts providing support...?

This Sparks another thought... what about crowd-sourcing a story plot? Allow the great unwashed to propose storylines and to carry out voting, then build a book on the result. No money should change hands, perhaps a credit in the afterword for the storymongers....

Too wacky?

Re: Eon - eventual movie-adaption... or while we are waiting......

From: Greg Bear
Date: 11/11/2014

Very interesting ideas, Martin! Who knows where all this will go? Thanks!

Re: Eon - eventual movie-adaption

From: Greg Bear
Date: 11/11/2014

We've got good people working hard on these projects, and EON is one of the major projects being worked on! Wish us luck, John. And check out the MOSF Thistledown model video, listed at the top of the home page.

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